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PostSubject: Plezdontquit - The blind screen arguement   2010-03-11, 02:46

I wanted to show this conversation to everyone to get their opinion.. Its clear to everyone who knows me I'm not a big believer in "SIM" or "league" rules.. Play the game as it was created and live with what the developers gave us to work with has always been my perspective.. but some like to argue certain plays are "cheesy", "illegal", or "cheating".. this is one such case where I argue my point of view versus another persons. Feel free to share yours!


[00:24:27 11/03/10] CommishWMC : wow that was too close for me..
[00:24:45 11/03/10] plezdontquit : i never got my normal game going
[00:24:51 11/03/10] plezdontquit : i hate when games go that way
[00:24:55 11/03/10] plezdontquit : gg
[00:24:59 11/03/10] CommishWMC : ya gg
[00:25:18 11/03/10] CommishWMC : if it wasn't for that one play i think u'd be in trouble b/c u run it everytime u need to make a play..
[00:25:40 11/03/10] plezdontquit : yeah.,... well i had too... i couldn't do anything
[00:26:00 11/03/10] plezdontquit : i struggled... when you got up so quick... i completly played different
[00:26:04 11/03/10] CommishWMC : ya.. i just don't see how that's ny different then someone doing cys or screens..
[00:26:25 11/03/10] CommishWMC : i just don't think u should be giving other ppl a hard time is my point
[00:26:50 11/03/10] CommishWMC : we all have our crutch plays in this game..
[00:27:17 11/03/10] plezdontquit : r u kidding me
[00:27:30 11/03/10] CommishWMC : just something to think about..
[00:27:37 11/03/10] plezdontquit : i did alot of plays there... you were up so big and you couldn't stop it
[00:28:05 11/03/10] plezdontquit : well anyways... gg
[00:28:20 11/03/10] plezdontquit : first time you beat me without a blind screen... congrats
[00:28:43 11/03/10] CommishWMC : im just saying u ran that same play a ton.. and i don't see how that different then someone else doing screens or w/e.. just don't be a hipocrit b/c i know u complain about that a lot
[00:29:08 11/03/10] plezdontquit : i didn't say anything about that?
[00:29:16 11/03/10] CommishWMC : im not trying to make an arguement.. i just want u to see it from another perspective
[00:29:20 11/03/10] plezdontquit : and anyways i didn't say how you cys practically every other place
[00:29:24 11/03/10] SPEEDER : /
[00:29:29 11/03/10] plezdontquit : and sometimes you don't give me time to adjust
[00:29:37 11/03/10] CommishWMC : ive seen you complain about other people across field screening.. including to me
[00:29:46 11/03/10] plezdontquit : so don't try to start stuff
[00:29:52 11/03/10] plezdontquit : cuz you do it all the time
[00:30:04 11/03/10] CommishWMC : well u do that play all the time..
[00:30:05 11/03/10] plezdontquit : this was the first game you didn't do it... way to go...
[00:30:10 11/03/10] CommishWMC : u see my point.. whats the difference?
[00:30:18 11/03/10] CommishWMC : i never do it in league play
[00:30:23 11/03/10] CommishWMC : just in freestyle games
[00:30:27 11/03/10] plezdontquit : huge difference... your play is something you can't defend
[00:30:46 11/03/10] CommishWMC : i can sure as hell defend that better than the play u kept running..
[00:31:07 11/03/10] plezdontquit : my defend you can learn defend... i have that play in 4 formations... i could run it in many formations... you chose
[00:31:08 11/03/10] CommishWMC : i have very little trouble stopping them
[00:31:30 11/03/10] plezdontquit : well maybe you need to learn to stop that play then i guess
[00:31:40 11/03/10] plezdontquit : u r a funny guy wils
[00:31:40 11/03/10] CommishWMC : same to you..
[00:31:59 11/03/10] plezdontquit : u wonder why i do don't go to your site
[00:32:01 11/03/10] CommishWMC : i just think its complete bs that u complain about someone abusing one play when u do the same thing
[00:32:24 11/03/10] plezdontquit : i have never compained about someone doing one play... tell me when
[00:32:27 11/03/10] CommishWMC : i mean serioulsy can't u see it from my point of view?
[00:32:31 11/03/10] CommishWMC : whats the difference
[00:32:45 11/03/10] CommishWMC : u complained to me about across field screening
[00:32:48 11/03/10] plezdontquit : when you do an off screen play... cuz i can't see your players????
[00:32:49 11/03/10] CommishWMC : and then left my site
[00:33:00 11/03/10] plezdontquit : hmmm... anyways wils... grow up
[00:33:06 11/03/10] plezdontquit : it's a game... get a life
[00:33:15 11/03/10] CommishWMC : same to you
[00:33:29 11/03/10] plezdontquit : nice one
[00:33:51 11/03/10] CommishWMC :
[00:34:08 11/03/10] ivan : plezdontquit can u play
[00:34:18 11/03/10] plezdontquit : yeah... lets do it
[00:34:27 11/03/10] SPEEDER : xD
[00:34:29 11/03/10] plezdontquit : leaguedaddy
[00:34:29 11/03/10] CommishWMC : i wish i taped our game so i could count how many times u ran that play..
[00:34:39 11/03/10] plezdontquit : right?
[00:34:42 11/03/10] SPEEDER : WiiMFL?
[00:35:44 11/03/10] plezdontquit : lol... your still talking...lol
[00:36:08 11/03/10] CommishWMC : plez im just trying to get u to be more understanding of others playing style
[00:36:29 11/03/10] CommishWMC : u think u play 100% fair and others dont when ur just as bad
[00:36:45 11/03/10] CommishWMC : i have no issue with u running the play
[00:36:53 11/03/10] plezdontquit : wils... why do you think off field screens are banned in leagues and sites?
[00:36:59 11/03/10] CommishWMC : just with u coming down on others when they run theirs
[00:37:21 11/03/10] CommishWMC : b/c its easily identified as a hard play to stop
[00:37:22 11/03/10] plezdontquit : u obviously have issues with me running the play
[00:37:28 11/03/10] CommishWMC : i dont
[00:37:33 11/03/10] CommishWMC : i dont mind at all
[00:37:34 11/03/10] plezdontquit : or you wouldn't keep whining
[00:37:37 11/03/10] plezdontquit : then stop talking
[00:37:51 11/03/10] CommishWMC : im just saying that u shouldnt complain about others is my point
[00:38:01 11/03/10] CommishWMC : ur being hipocritical
[00:38:08 11/03/10] plezdontquit : when they do something illegal...
[00:38:11 11/03/10] plezdontquit : i'll complain
[00:38:17 11/03/10] plezdontquit : blind screens = illegal
[00:38:18 11/03/10] CommishWMC : ok..
[00:38:33 11/03/10] CommishWMC : not in the game we played when u complained and proceeded to leave my site..
[00:39:15 11/03/10] plezdontquit : sorry if i don't like playing against people who play illegal
[00:39:25 11/03/10] plezdontquit : illegal = blind screens
[00:39:27 11/03/10] plezdontquit : get it?
[00:39:34 11/03/10] CommishWMC : the play was legal in the game we played
[00:39:59 11/03/10] CommishWMC : id understand if it was a league game sure
[00:40:07 11/03/10] CommishWMC : but it wasn't.. it was clearly marked a freestyle game..
[00:40:27 11/03/10] CommishWMC : notice how i dont screen in league games.. i have no issues following the rules
[00:40:30 11/03/10] plezdontquit : k... i'm going to play... night
[00:40:33 11/03/10] plezdontquit : lol
[00:40:39 11/03/10] plezdontquit : talk to someone who cares
[00:40:46 11/03/10] CommishWMC : night
[00:40:47 11/03/10] CommishWMC : gg[b]



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PostSubject: Re: Plezdontquit - The blind screen arguement   2010-03-11, 17:33

Remind me to never play you freestyle commish, i cant stand it when people intentionally do the offscreen anything and you would think that after a few times you should be able to stop it. Certain screens plays, when rolling the qb out away from the receiver, just seem to disable the ai of defenders leaving the receiver uncovered. Its one thing if your opponent has to roll out a little from pressure and the receiver goes off screen for a split second but to do it over and over rolling away from the screen just makes for a crappy game. Sometimes i have used a screen play as a bluff and after rolling the qb out to throw to the same side of the field as rolling to, pressed the wrong button and hit the blind side wr streaking down the sideline.....sometimes its a catch but others it is a pic. It would be great, IMO, if EA could do something to boost defensive AI, in regards to plays that are used over and over in a short time. In reality you may see a nfl team use a play back to back, but after that first element of suprise, the defense is usually all over repeat plays.....I am not so sure that the "I" in AI stands for intelligence scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Plezdontquit - The blind screen arguement   2010-03-11, 18:03

haha ya i hear ya man

i usually don't use it more than 2-3 in a freestyle game if at all.. i usually on use it when down by a lot or when trying to score quickly..

i main point here was that ppl argue against the play b/c the AI of the game isn't good enough to cover it yet the play plezdontquit ran over and over again was doing the same thing.. im pretty well known for a good pass D and i used all my tricks and couldn't stop it.. i just don't see how the two are different is what im saying



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PostSubject: Re: Plezdontquit - The blind screen arguement   2010-03-11, 23:36

ya I dont see any difference in the two either. I have been in similar situations, trying everything I could think of and still just couldnt stop a repeat play. It makes ya wonder if certain plays in combination with key substitutions are unstopable and arent just more glitches? It brings to mind some past versions of madden when they had those cards, the ones you earned for completing certain features in the game, some of these cards if used would cause defensive fatigue or butter fingered receivers along with many other types. Personally I rarely make any audible changes or substitutions during a game, I feel that it is more of a true straight up strategic game when it is played just as it was made, my strategy against my opponents strategy not who can figure out what setup is unstopable. That also may be one of the reasons I have only managed 1 win out of 18 so far also, its ok though I still enjoy playin and i hear what your sayin!
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PostSubject: Good Post Commish   2010-03-15, 14:02

I played Plzdontquit and he complained afterward, even after beating me, that he didn't like my style because I used cys and screens. I only did the screen after he used it, then I though fair game..But wow how harsh and rushing to judgment he was. He ran the WR out pattern no less than 15 times, knowing if I covered with my guy he would pass to the opposite field to an open man, a variation of the off screen really. Cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Plezdontquit - The blind screen arguement   2010-03-15, 14:04

huskerzzzz wrote:
I played Plzdontquit and he complained afterward, even after beating me, that he didn't like my style because I used cys and screens. I only did the screen after he used it, then I though fair game..But wow how harsh and rushing to judgment he was. He ran the WR out pattern no less than 15 times, knowing if I covered with my guy he would pass to the opposite field to an open man, a variation of the off screen really. Cheers

Thank you huskerzzz that is exactly the point I was trying to make to her.. I'm glad someone else gets where I'm coming from.
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